User talk:Haru3173

Welcome

Hi, welcome to The Atelier Series Wiki! Thanks for your edit to the Template:AMS page.

Please leave a message on my talk page if I can help with anything! -- 127.0.0.1 (Talk) 07:54, July 19, 2011

Quick Question from a New User (and hi!)

Hi, I just joined the wiki today and have made some additions to a couple of character pages. However, I noticed that clicking on "Gino Knab" from the page for Atelier Meruru leads to a redirect (which is a page under the his Japanese name).

Do you know who the administrators are for this wiki? I think only they can change a page name (which, in this case, would be "Jeeno Knab" to "Gino Knab"), as I tried and it didn't work.

Thanks for your help! Team5Ds 03:04, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Both admins SeventhEvening and Daias has not been active in years. I'm actually trying to adopt this site so I can become an admin, I only need some approval from users. If it's alright, can you comment your approval in this blog.--Haru3173 06:18, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply! Yes, I think it'd be great if you became an admin. I've already posted my approval in the blog. Good luck! Team5Ds 02:54, June 21, 2012 (UTC)

Atelier Iris: Eternal Mana

I have a problem with this game and the guides found online. See I'm one of those players that want to get 100% and the best possible outcomes... only problem is that the guides found are incorrect and contacting the creators of said guids have yielded no result.

http://www.gamefaqs.com/ps2/919604-atelier-iris-eternal-mana/faqs/44414

says that the maximum Medicine you can get is "medicine 78"

To get this the guide says I must combine these:

 Fresh Smoking + Baking Powder (79)

Only, these ingredients don't give me medicine but rather "Blue Bull". I've tried numerous other combinations but it seems impossible to get "78" in medicine. So how do I get it?

Adoption Request

Hi. I apologize for the long delay in getting back to your adoption request; should you ever do one again please ping us on our talk pages about it which we will see much more quickly even when the requests area gets backed up! I have given you admin and bureaucrat rights; good luck with the wiki! -- Wendy (talk)<staff /> 01:53, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Hello New Admin!

Hi Haru3173, I've noticed that you recently became Admin here and are still pretty busy with the Wiki. Awhile back, I took the liberty of compiling a list of the small, mostly abandoned, and undeveloped Wikis here on Wikia devoted to the Atelier series hoping to see them merged someday into this one. Obviously though, there was no Admin at the time to execute any such mergers. Now, as I mentioned, you're still very much busy here, but once activity dies down a bit, would you be interested in seeing that list and overseeing any potential mergers? Thanks! -Revitalizer (talk) 03:39, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I'm interested in merger the other wikis into this site. Though I have no experience in merging. Once approval has been gain, do you just transfer all the content from the other site? How does that gain me more readers and contributors?--Haru3173 (talk) 04:28, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for getting back to me! I'm glad you're interested. Merging can be somewhat difficult for large Wikis, but most of the Wikis that would be merged are small (with one unfortunate exception). Should the time come, I'd be happy to give Whiteknight810210 and yourself advice from my own experience merging two decent sized wikis into a third.

Merging is beneficial because it redirects potential traffic that would go to small Wikis where readers will find little information and editors may forgo editing because they would essentially be starting from scratch to this better-developed, active Wiki. Oftentimes, people will find new Wikis using Google or simply through typing their subject in the subdomain of the URL. As you can test, the "atelier" subdomain currently leads to one such undeveloped Wiki. Readers and editors may very well assume that no active Wiki devoted to the series exists. In addition, it serves as a way to make sure information does not become splintered in the future should someone actually decide to work on one of these small Wikis. Overall, it's simply a way to ensure that the effectiveness of work spent on Atelier content on Wikia is as high as possible.

The process begins with, like you guessed, getting approval from the other Wiki's Admin and community (this won't really be applicable though to most of the Wikis you'd be working with; it will usually play out by leaving a link to blog post suggesting a merger on the main page of those Wikis and waiting a dozen or two days while no one objects). Then, you transfer content over using export/import (which I found to be easier than I originally though); a merger only requires content pages and images (which is the harder part) to be transferred, but you can choose to go the extra mile and transfer user pages and the like. And finally you let the staff know that you're ready to merge. Keep in mind that it's always best to contact staff before transferring content to make sure that there is no strange technicality that would make Wikia unwilling to perform a merger.

-Revitalizer (talk) 04:55, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

woah there is a "atelier" subdomain, that never came up in google search. Ok, sounds a bit more work than I imagine but I think I can handle it. So I ask for permission first in the small wiki, leave it for a few days. If I got a approval or no reply, I can then export/import the pages. After that I inform Wikia staff to redirect the domain name to this site. Is that correct? If so, give me the list so I can start and ask permission.--Haru3173 (talk) 06:18, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

That's pretty much it. As you're browsing these, notice that the first three will require essentially no content to be transferred, the next seven will require next to none, but the final one will require time. Since the Atelier Wiki is most likely to cause confusion, I would definitely select it as the first considered merger. -Revitalizer (talk) 23:45, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

http://atelier.wikia.com/wiki/Atelier_Wiki

http://manakhemia1sa.wikia.com/wiki/Mana_Khemia_:_Student_Alliance_Wiki

http://manakhemiarevis.wikia.com/wiki/Mana_Khemia_:_Alchemist_of_Al-Revis_Wiki

http://manakhemia.wikia.com/wiki/The_Mana_Khemia_Wiki

http://ateliertotori.wikia.com/wiki/Atelier_Totori_Wiki

http://manakhemiastudentalliance.wikia.com/wiki/Mana_Khemia_Student_Alliance_Wiki

http://manakhemiawikicom.wikia.com/wiki/Mana_Khemia_Wiki

http://atelieriris3.wikia.com/wiki/Atelier_Iris_Grand_Phantasm_Wiki

http://atelierkhemia.wikia.com/wiki/Atelier_Khemia_Wiki

http://alrevisacademy.wikia.com/wiki/Mana_Khemia_Wiki

http://atelierrorona.wikia.com/wiki/Atelier_Rorona_Wiki

Alright I made a blog post in every single one of them. I knew Atelier Rorona is the biggest one but it wasn't using any complicated template so I don't think it be too hard to merge it.--Haru3173 (talk) 01:37, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I'm the founder of the Rorona and Totori wikis. The merger is fine with me. The Rorona wiki does use templates for items and monsters. It's not too complicated but I remember it did take a bit of tweaking so the formatting looked decent. Actually just started replaying Totori, so I might add some of that to here.

I or someone else could put up a message on the home pages of those wikis to notify people of the merger and redirect them here. Coax75ohm (talk) 10:50, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Welcome Coax75ohm, I'm glad you're interested in merging! Important templates are easy to bring over thanks to the "Include templates" option when you are exporting pages. I went ahead and left notices on each Wiki's main page about the proposal by the way.

I should have mentioned this before, but it slipped my mind. Generally, when Wikis with active Admins merge, those old Admins are made Admins on the unified Wiki if they choose. This not only gives the old Admins representation, but also makes merging MUCH easier as only Admins can use the Import and Multiple Uploads features. -Revitalizer (talk) 01:07, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

The thing I'm concerned with is how data will be segregated for the series when imported. The Rorona templates have automatic categorization, so they'll probably need to be be edited slightly to add "(Atelier Rorona)" to the end or however you want to handle naming conventions. Coax75ohm (talk) 16:32, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

And thinking about that it brings up a more general question. Taking items as an example, there are many items that appear throughout the series. Should they have a single page with subsections for each game in which they appear, or should there be separate pages for each game? Coax75ohm (talk) 16:40, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

There's not much to say about a single item, so I think a single page with subsections for each game is better but have a separate list page for each games. Kind of like how this wiki is doing it.--Haru3173 (talk) 17:18, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

As for the categorization. I was thinking of just making a Synthesis Category list page and have the items link to that instead. We can keep the Material, Consumables, ect. categories.--Haru3173 (talk) 17:28, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

I noticed that all the mergers are complete. Congratulations! My last recommendation for this process would be to change the Wiki's subdomain from "atelierseries" to "atelier" and the Wiki's name from "Atelier Series Wiki" to "Atelier Wiki." Best of luck in the future! -Revitalizer (talk) 21:15, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

I have request the staff to change the subdomain from "atelierseries" to "atelier" and the Wiki's name from "Atelier Series Wiki" to "Atelier Wiki". Thanks--Haru3173 (talk) 15:24, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Wiki discussion

Just suggesting some ideas to help this wiki firmish.

• Affiliating with other gaming wikis like disgaea, to help with the walkthroughs.
• Separate gallery pages for atelier event cgs
• New infobox templates for characters and game titles
• Adding atelier merchandise

Hope I'm not bringing up too much, but there's really more to this series that how the US wuld have dubbed

~~Whiteknight810210~~

Sure, I'm open for those suggestions but I don't know how to do most of them.

• How do you affiliate with other gaming wikis? Disgaea wiki doesn't even have a walkthrough.
• Sure
• What kind of infobox templates do you want to make?
• Definitely add atelier merchandise. I can put a merchandise section in the template. I'm not very knowledgeable with merchandise though so someone got to help me with that

--Haru3173 (talk) 03:19, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

I'm glad you brought up affiliating with other Wikis. It's a great way to introduce readers and editors to similar subjects. There's no "process" of affiliation; it's up to you to contact a possible affiliate and decide how you will run your program. I would personally suggest reaching out to the Ar Tonelico Wiki, being a Wiki devoted to Atelier's closest cousin, the Gust-developed Ar Tonelico series. If you want an example of how an Affiliation can be run, here's an example. In that example, I chose to create a page with a small description and logo for each partner (linked to in the nav and main page) as well as icons for each on our main page. I hope this helps.

-Revitalizer (talk) 04:55, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll definitely do that after the merging stuff since I'm kinda considering changing the domain name to just "atelier". Thanks for being so helpful by the way.--Haru3173 (talk) 06:18, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

I love it when I see older Wikis adopted and revitalized, so I'm glad to help. -Revitalizer (talk) 23:45, August 7, 2012 (UTC)

For the infoboxes, check out the Aselia Wiki. The infoboxes used to describe the characters and games fit the overall franchise. I could work on that until I know, if there should be consistent for each character and which background color to use.

--Whiteknight810210 (talk) 19:49, August 8, 2012 (UTC)Whiteknight810210

The style of the infobox Aselia Wiki are using between characters and games is similar so I don't really get what's different about their infobox. The infobox I'm using just have a a customizable column which I like better since you add and omit any column necessary. One thing I don't want is having a same color scheme between each games. I think it is easier to recognize the game each table belongs to if they have different color scheme--Haru3173 (talk) 01:27, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Where to start?

Hello!

I left a comment on a blog post; but failed to see the talk page first (apologizes). I'd like to help this wiki.

To be honest, it's poorly laid out, not very helpful, and confusing for people who don't know much about the games/characters. I want to maybe help make it look more presentable, edit pages, things like that. But I don't see very much activity, nor do I see any sort of style guide or rules for how things should be laid out. I really wanted to create my own Atelier wiki, but would much rather help with this one, if there's anybody who is still editing/using it. I'm one of two admins at the Harvest Moon wiki and have done thousands of edits on there, as well as on other wikis.

If you could point me in the right direction, that'd be great.

Nixerix (talk) 07:33, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

You're very welcome to help make this wiki grow. I don't really have a style guide set up. I organize most of article in a navigational template at bottom of each game page and so far the most complete is Atelier Rorona. I'm not very good at writing, so a lot of the articles are missing summary and synopsis so I really need help doing that.

I mostly do the templates, tables and images. The reason I haven't been very active in a while is because of college. If you have any suggestion to improve the wiki feel free to say it.

--Haru3173 (talk) 07:46, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Guideline of writing.

Sorry for my unreasonable absence, school has been like crazy nowadays. Just made a visit on FF Wiki and I realized, shouldn't we make a guideline for everyone to write the pages? To avoid the cluttering and messy, poorly written articles that hurt eyes, that is. Laviere Aurelius (talk) 07:03, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

You mean like their manual of style? I'm not sure what to put though, do you have a specific idea on how to divide pages?--Haru3173 (talk) 08:21, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

More or less, like that, so we have a rule of naming pages, how the layout should be written and all. And what do you mean by dividing pages? o.O Laviere Aurelius (talk) 06:39, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

I meant the layout of the pages. Anyway I made a crude version, feel free to add anything missing.--Haru3173 (talk) 08:23, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

It looks good, but it might be good to include an example page, or a link to an example for each, so that people can look at it visually. ^_^

Nixerix (talk) 09:29, December 5, 2012 (UTC)

Affiliate Update

Hello again, Haru3173, hope you're doing well! I wanted to let you know that Aquagon 07 of the Ar tonelico Wiki has agreed to partner with the Atelier Wiki. Do you see their affiliates page under Community in their navigation bar? I would recommend making the same here on the Atelier Wiki. You might want to personalize the description of the Atelier Wiki or add an image on their Affiliate page as well. Either way, congratulations on your first Affiliate! If you want to go further, the Trinity Universe Wiki would be an excellent choice. -Revitalizer (talk) 17:16, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

I've added the affiliates page on the navigation bar and a affiliates section on the main page. Thanks a lot in keeping me updated.--Haru3173 (talk) 09:55, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Merging

After learning of all the efforts you've put in in merging several different wikis into this one.. I feel kind of guilty that I'm being so stubborn about giving up my own. I still don't really want to merge, but I guess it would be best, I'll get over it in time. I would like to propose a few things first though before I fully agree to merge if that's okay with you.

You said you didn't mind changing the style of the wiki, so here's a few things that I propose (which we can always change later/discuss).

• Changing the character boxes. Instead of "row information" (which is confusing in my opinion), make one streamlined character box with all of the information that a person can easily input. I've created a character box using the code from my wiki and put it on Ingrid's page as a test, feel free to check out the coding if you'd like. It would be a lot of work to change the boxes over ( we can transition slowly but surely), but I think it would make it so all the pages had the same information, and it would be an easier language for editors to understand. These character boxes would all be the same color instead of being color coded for each game, but I also think that's a better choice. Let me know what you think. 
• Making use of tabbers. I noticed that you don't use tabbers on this wiki, and that the current templates don't allow that function. With new templates for it should allow tabbers to be put in place. I've also put a tabber on Ingrid's page to show an example. This would allow us to show character portraits all in one convienent area (such as Rorona or Totori in different games), and also to show the different box art for the games. 
• Updating the home page to make it a bit more eye catching. The featured article hasn't been changed in awhile, and we could probably feature some other articles that people might be looking for (like Atelier Ayesha). 
• This also doesn't have anything to do with the style of the wiki, but I'm curious as to why your game titles are using ~ instead of : Wouldn't it be neater to use bullets? Wouldn't using ~ imply a more Japanese title instead of English? And wouldn't it also direct more traffic to the wiki for people searching for the game? I'd think most people would search for Atelier Marie: The Alchemist of Salburg instead of Atelier Marie ~The Alchemist of Salburg~.

That's all I can really think of for now. My main problem with this wiki when I came across is was that it's been here for two years, but it still seems undeveloped and unorganized. Like it hasn't really had a style makeover in awhile or any kind of streamlining. I'd like to help make it better organized and eye catching. I don't mean to offend of course because I know you've worked very hard, but I too have some wiki expierence and I've done some style overhauling on the Harvest Moon Wiki especially. It looks much better than how it used to be and we've managed to attract a bigger audience, and people have found it a lot easier to get information. 

Don't be concern with my efforts in merging several wikis, it wasn't that hard. I just think it's better to have one wiki for atelier related stuff. I also don't really think you're giving something up since it'll be the same if this wiki merge to your wiki, just think about it as moving your stuff to another room. As for your proposal, I'm alright with it but let me address them separately.

• I went with that template since it was easily changeable. If you think it's too confusing, I'm cool with changing it. Do you dislike having a different color box for each game? I adapted it from Final Fantasy Wiki, I thought it was kind of neat. Tell me how you feel about it since I can easily add a code to any template to implement color classes.
• I definitely like tabber to be use more. I did it to Pamela Ibis two years ago, I guess I just forgot about it. I think I can edit the current template to allow tabbers. *update* So I check why you can't do tabber on the current table and it looks like because of the way the image variable is coded. I edit the less use uncolored infobox to see if I can change it and tabber seems to work now. I can edit the more use template but I have to edit every page to not use the "Image size = ".
• Oh yes, your free to update the homepage since you'll also be leading this wiki when you merge. You can also add the sliding gallery if you want.
• They were already using ~ when I came here so I just went with it. Whenever you're ready, I'll help changing it to bullets form.

I've seen some stuff you did on the other wiki, like having a proper style guide and such, so I think your help will be definitely great in making atelier having an amazing wiki. It's also a nice load off my shoulder to have someone lead this wiki--Haru3173 (talk) 22:48, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

• I've changed the character box, and all the information from my wiki (such as character pages you haven't created) also follow this, so it'll be very easy for me to copy and paste my information. Final Fantasy is a HUGE wiki with a lot of people to keep these things well organized. I followed the Zelda wiki personally, and I liked their format a bit better. They have different colored boxes, but not for each individual game. For example: character boxes, item boxes and monster boxes are all a different color, but they're universal across the whole wiki (every character, item would use it). This cuts down on the number of templates that people have to implement, and I think that keeps things a lot more organized. Especially if you have a character from two or three different games, or a monster/item from a few different games. I do like that the navigation boxes have their own colors though, and your format for those are already very similar to mine, so I don't think I'll need to change those much.
• I also don't have a problem with changing the current character boxes over to the one I've created (because most of the information is already there on yours anyways and it wouldn't take that much work) if we agree that having it all one color is okay. I'm glad you got tabbers to work. :) 

Nixerix (talk) 23:53, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

I have no issue with your character box so it's alright if you want to use it. I tried to get tabbers to work on the old template just for fun, so that doesn't really have to do with anything :) As for the color, having class color won't increase the templates, all it will add is a parameter "color = " where put the games initial "A1", "A2", and such, but If you think having universal color for the infobox is more organized, I'm cool with that.--Haru3173 (talk) 00:52, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, well I've organized the character box to include a few things that mine didn't have such as blood type. I've taken off hobbies/likes/dislikes, as that can always be added in the actual character article I think to make the article look more complete. I say that we stick to one color for now (I think I chose a good color that reflects the wiki's colors), and if we decide down the line that we'd like to change it then we can do that. It'll make transferring things over/fixing things up a little simplier. I'll go ahead and start to move some of my pages over. I've created all the pages for Atelier Marie, Elie and Lilie over on my wiki, so I'll start to move those over here.

Nixerix (talk) 01:55, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

Monster Pages

Hey Haru, I've come up with a format for the monster pages. I've created a new template with similar information to the one you already had, but made it better to suit multiple appearances. I've done a test on the Blue Puni page. What are your thoughts?

Nixerix (talk) 10:40, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

It looks good though I'm not sure how it will look if the other series have the same monster.--Haru3173 (talk) 05:33, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Well I added information in for Atelier Meruru (and I will for Totori once I pop my disc in and look at the game's library). But it might get hectic if 8 or 9 games have the same monster, obviously. In that case, we might have to compromise with a 'see page information' or something.

Nixerix (talk) 07:20, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

I think we can concentrate on the Arland series first and then worry about the other games once it's finish. I don't think it's that much of a problem since their's not a lot of monster that's shared in 8 or more games.--Haru3173 (talk) 08:35, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Game Infoboxes

Hey Haru! I've been busy merging more pages and creating some more as well. I'm kind of all over the place at the moment. I've also noticed that the color scheme within the game boxes is somewhat inconsistant. Some pages follow a color scheme (such as Atelier Marie), but other games are left with the regular infobox (such as the side games and Judie/Violet).

So what I've done is import my template from the old wiki that I used for game pages and I tested it out on Atelier Judie: The Alchemist of Gramnad. What do you think? The tabber could replace the 'packaging artwork' section, which we could replace with screenshots or game art if you'd like. I think seeing all the artwork all at once is a good idea, but that's just me personally. Something to make the pages more complete perhaps, this is just another design idea that I'd like some feedback on.

One of the users requested that we change Atelier Violet's page back to Atelier Violet (from Viorate). They put forth a good argument (on the talk page for the game page of Atelier Violet if you want to see it), and so I also made that change as well. If you're not okay with that though, we can change it back.

Nixerix (talk) 09:43, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

I know very little on the Japanese only release games and side games so I didn't put much attention to them, but the template is good though I prefer having the logo first and replacing the packaging artwork with game art is a good idea. Oh and I'm good at changing the Atelier Violet page--Haru3173 (talk) 18:20, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Alright, sounds good to me!

Nixerix (talk) 19:14, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

Congrats

Wow, you two (hope you're reading Nixerix) came to an agreement really easily. That's great to see! :) Congratulations not only for that, but also for surpassing 500 pages. The Wiki's listing on Encyclopedia Gamia's RPG Portal has been updated with a Bronze Star to reflect this.

One more thing though: if you two aren't totally burnt-out from mergers yet, there's one more little project you might consider tackling at some point. (It's almost comic at this point. XD ) Best of luck! -Revitalizer (talk) 20:24, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm still merging a few pages over, but how do I delete my wiki in the future? Do I just need to ask a wikia staff member?

Nixerix (talk) 21:39, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Pretty much. Just mention that you've transferred all the content and request that it be merged. -Revitalizer (talk) 23:12, February 8, 2013 (UTC)

Don't say you want to delete the wiki since they won't link your site here but instead say you want to merge. When your done merging you can contact a staff here and you can find more info here.--Haru3173 (talk) 18:01, February 9, 2013 (UTC)

What do you think of this template?

Hey Haru, I've created a template that I thought would be useful. I thought I'd run it by you first though, as you may find it unecessary. I've put it on Marlone's page as a test. 

I created this template so that we can cover our butts if any argument ever starts up about a name, or information or any sort of translation that may be up for debate. Additionally, it may give people the incentive to help us gather information because we don't know how to speak Japanese. I know I had a hard time using Google's terrible built in translator to try and understand what the page was trying to tell me for certain characters.

If you don't like it, we don't have to use it, but it was just a thought anyways. 

Nixerix (talk) 00:55, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Looks good and definitely a nice incentive to get more info especially on recent games that are yet to be release in english--Haru3173 (talk) 19:52, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Additional info for the Atelier Totori plot

I've been playing through Atelier Totori, and noticed something odd about the plot section here in the wikia. It states the following in the Totori plot section..

"In Atelier Meruru: The Apprentice of Arland, Totori explains that her mother came suddenly home one day, so it can be assumed that her mother's death was not canon."

It should be expanded to note what exactly happens. The village elder tells Totori that her mother was gravely wounded, and was asked to be taken to the boat her husband made for her. The elder also say's that her body is now somewhere at sea. At this point, she is assumed to be dead.

However, in the true ending of the game, Gisela returns alive, thanking the "glasses woman" for helping her recover. I'd assume the woman is Astrid, who either somehow brought her back to life, or saved her just before her death. It's hard to say whether she was temporarily dead or not, but it's a key point that should be included.

I already added that her death was not canon - meaning that it's not believed to be what REALLY happened. It's my opinion that mere speculation/assumptions such as "she was maybe dead" or "Astrid saved her" shouldn't be included, since we dont really know. It also says that her mother comes home in the True Ending of Atelier Totori. You can fix the article in your own wording if you wish, but I think Gisela's place in the plot has been explained pretty well personally, unless you wanted to add a little bit about what happened when she got to Frontier Village. 

Nixerix (talk) 07:41, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

I think he just have a problem that the word "canon" was used since that would imply that Gisela was truly dead in some point in the game. The Frontier Villagers only thought that she died, the True Ending clarify that she was saved by a "glasses lady". I think there were more hints in the game that Astrid saved Gisela but I don't think it be accurate to say that, unless there's a interview or something that confirms it.--Haru3173 (talk) 19:52, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Again, I said NOT canon. Unless I'm getting canon and non-canon mixed up. Then I'd feel like an idiot. >___> Noncanon would imply that that's not what happened (meaning she's not ACTUALLY dead), right? That's what I meant to write, if I managed to botch it up somehow. 

Nixerix (talk) 08:51, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

I think your misusing the word. Saying "her mother's death was not canon" would suggest that a scenario of Gisela dying happened in the game which never did, the characters just assumed it, so there's no need to say it's noncanon. A proper use would be, say in Ending A Gisela dies while in Ending B Gisela lives then a sequel confirms that she alive so we would say Ending A is not canon. However, non of the endings in Atelier Totori have Gisela dying, the characters just didn't know she was alive so there's no need to mention that it's not canon. "Canon" is really just another word for "official" so hopefully that made senses.--Haru3173 (talk) 08:47, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Ah, well bet somebody else changes it then if that's big of a deal, my brain's not able to think right now. I guess I could just change it to take out that entire part, since it is written in there that her mother comes home in the True Ending of the game already. *shrugs*.

Nixerix (talk) 08:57, March 4, 2013 (UTC)